howdy@embarkvet.com. I would like to pick up on your post and I really hope you don’t mind me commenting on this as I am sensitive to the fact that this is a close friend of yours – this is not in any way meant as a judgement call, but as an intellectual exercise to try and further evaluate the ‘breedism’ debate. But again, some people love their breeds and won’t have a bad word said about them, despite the fact that some lines are dropping to bits. And that’s why any time someone has puppy from a a high prey-drive breed and coos that “it’s all in how you raise them” I shudder a little because I know I would not want to be the person impacted if the dog suddenly and without warning exhibits behavior at 2 years that is nothing like what it exhibited at 14 months. I just submitted my dog for DNA testing, can’t wait to see what she comes back as. An off-leash beagle is liable to be in the next county by the time you realize he is gone. And 8.50% Shih Tzu? But we are more likely to get a set of behaviors if it is bred for. But there is enough of that out there that many of us who bought puppies start to look suspiciously at arguments that seem to imply that breed does not matter. About two months ago a very close friend of mine called to share some good news with me. And I speak as someone who has a dog from a breed where the divide between the “show” people and the “work” people is huge. List . iPad auto correct sucks! They are also a spontaneous mutation that can occur in any number of breeds. Which breeds are detected by the Wisdom Panel … Corgi size, Corgi build, Corgi head. Try ignoring an adult dog who has become fixed on something and see just how long it takes THEM to give up the chase and leave you alone. Etc. What is a Wisdom Panel Kit? I truly don’t think we have much disagreement, though. I am positive that this man does not know what a hound looks like. Since, I consider this function to be as necessary to my dog’s health as food and water, dog parks are most definitely necessary for my dog – and many others. Mom weighed about 50 pounds and “appeared’ to be a lab pit mix. For thousands of *previous* years, humans and dogs have lived in a world where there were lots of places that dogs could run free. But for a family pet, I picked dogs that looked attractive to me and I deal with any unwanted behaviors as they appear. and imagining them. Do people get themselves and their dogs in trouble by assuming their dog will just be a certain way, because his breed is “supposed” to be that way? 4.49% Mastiff? A mastiff bred to protect might never cause you a problem until you get in a screaming match with your spouse; if the dog was previously immature, OR the behavior is not one he’s encountered, it may trigger something latent that was not displayed before at all. They both get distressed if they can’t account for where everyone is. The dog, btw, is black and white.. hmmmmmmm). @Beth w/ Corgis, Thank you for saving me the trouble of looking up a link to the actual study. EmilyS, I think perhaps that you are thinking of the historic function of a breed, while Trisha was talking about broad genetic groups. Once people believe this, it is hard to come armed with facts or statitistics that might make them rethink that heartfelt response. Big, little, purebreed, mixed breed, yellow, brown, black, or white. Both had sturdy neckwear and leashes. My point (and the point of breed rescue) about pitties in dog parks is not that every pit bull on the planet is combative to some degree with other dogs. When we say “this dog is a Lab” to use Mary K.’s example, meaning this dog is a good family pet instead of saying this Lab lunges at other dogs, this Lab drags people on the leash, this Lab tenses up at noises, etc. . Given how complex DNA analysis is, and how shallow breed differences actually are (they disappear with random breeding in very few generations) I suspect they are looking for markers for haircoat, colour, dwarfism, other pathologies that are breed-specific and coming up with likely matches. With the addition of designer dogs, it gets even murkier. Good news, the breeder did not lie to us. One thing I would NOT have been doing is running and playing chasing games. It’s fun for me to know about. Wisdom Panel is a DNA test you can buy for your dog. Yes, there are lots of interesting and often controversial issues in the world of dogs, but what is most important is that we love and respect them, treat people with the same respect we think we should give our dogs, and continue to advocate for responsible and benevolent interactions between these two species that have created one of the world’s most amazing relationships. But if it comes back with even a hint of Saluki, I’ll not be too surprised. We definitely got the behavioural aspects of her ancestry correct – terrier, herding and hunting. I quickly agreed because again there is that crazy dog lady thing. So I think it would be a great topic for discussion. However, they do offer full refunds if you decide to cancel your order before the order is processed. But I do get that there is a liability risk if you do so. My first dog came from Keeshond Rescue, a wonderfully supportive group. I think the DNA test provides good information which can help with medical decisions. The answer is maybe. etc. Go to Solution. or in apartments with no backyards. As for all breeders assuming that their dogs will not necessarily be good with kids? And at the same time, we have laws, at least in my State, that make it actually illegal to let one’s dog run off leash in pretty much every single natural area, including beaches and remote countrysides. I just feel like it is always better to be as clear-eyed as possible when we look at our dogs- we have to see the dog we have, not the idealized and stereotyped model of the dog that they are supposed to be. … However, there are other more practical applications: Once one knows if there are purebred lines well represented in one’s “mutt,” one can also ask for Genetic Mutation Tests to be done. Conventional wisdom comes from well-funded professionals who neglect the fact that people need to work with the resources they have. Solo looks like she might be thinking about having her lamb(s), I’m hoping for a single. I just assumed, especially since the website didn’t say any differently, that a dog that had been in that many races, AND used as a breeder, had to be high prey-drive. I had fostered the mom and adopted one of the pups. They were never bred to guard anything. We bought him from a German Shepherd breeder and his parents are AKC registered as GSD’s. Of course form and function to go hand in hand to a large extent; you’ll be able to run faster if you’re built like a greyhound than if you are built like a Saint Bernard. However, there are plenty of occasions where I get an amygdala hijack when a GSD is off leash and is clearly disengaged from it’s owner. Maddie just wants love but Jack longs for respect. I think it’s cute that our county shelter describes many dogs as “American Shelter Dog” although I guess that wouldn’t work as well if your dog didn’t come from a shelter! and 25 % unknown. But, as we are responsible for them, we should use science to ensure we selectively breed for ethically sound reasons – not simply because we think they look cute, behave aggressively or feel we have ownership over a type of breed because we happen to breed them ourselves. But it doesn’t mean to say that the gun dog should put up with inappropriate behaviour from children (or be interpreted as being more child friendly perhaps) because it has a genetic predisposition to be more passive as opposed to aggressive. It’s appealing to hang my hat on it and say, ‘see, this is WHY he is the way he is’. It’s so often easy to pick and choose the parts of a study to quote when you have a specific agenda to defend something I should have kept in mind when linking to the blog rather than the study itself. To get around without a car, we might take the bus and leave our broken car at home. Similarly, if I had a puppy from any of the breeds that was known to be protective, I would want to socialize the heck out of it. But that isn’t necessarily so. Would like to hear an explanation of that one. Required fields are marked *. It is telling Stata to save "the value of id" and bootstrap it. Let’s not confuse that with modern conditions in countries like America. It’s a huge error of judgement to fail to take a dog on at face value. If you do not know your sample ID you can find it one of two ways. Leo’s mom is a true little cutie too! Privacy I’m glad to hear it’s not just me that can be easily distracted. This is not a “dog” trait. Here are Buttercup’s two contented, napping lambs, more lamb photos when I get a minute: And for those of you in the Facebook “When will Spot lamb pool”…. Met a woman once who found a ‘dumped’, tiny, 5wo puppy in a school window well, & named him “Darwin”, having NO idea what evolve into. To EmilyS: No one that I know of has ever suggested that Am Staffs were ever a guarding dog, so don’t worry. Unity ID. Over the years, I have had many people question what breed of dog is he, and when I respond GSD, they disagree with me. In addition, all “No Result” reports are now sent with a letter that describes the process that led to the finding, and offers a refund if the owner wants one. Chesapeake Bay Retriever 14.5% This representation of the data was a more condensed way to provide a sense of how hours and wages vary over the life cycle. He was very blue, and oh-so-cute. But to the person with horses who wants a dog who is likely to live peacefully with a prey animal and not try to run it down, it’s very important. I am not sure that this is what comes with a large complex database file or if my design is flawed. And I think the fact that most people here thought he was part terrier (either JRT or fox terrier) and he is apparently neither at all is very interesting and a reminder that the breeds we know were developed by mixing other dogs and so the traits that define a breed can show up if you recreate the right mix of traits from other sources. I notice you mentioned short legs are dominant. All I can say after seeing Leo and Leo’s mom is OUCH! With Wisdom Panel 2.5, customers simply order the dog breed identifier kit, use the provided cheek swab to capture a DNA sample, and send the sample back to the lab for analysis. Aren’t we also drawn to types of people more than others too? Cobie was a pet shop/puppy mill dog, who certainly looked like a Kees. After actually meeting the dog, and talking to the rescue some more, I was convinced to bring her home. And Beth-your extensive knowledge of how most rescue organizations temperment test dogs is astonishing. Taking a swab sample from a deceased dog is not recommended, regardless of circumstance, as the quality of the DNA sample will likely be unusable for Wisdom Panel testing purposes. You'll then be prompted to enter in the 14 digit swab code (it typically starts with 310) Once you've entered the code, … But on THIS day, he had legions of adoring fans, none of whom even hesitated to walk right up to him. The mastiff owners, on the other hand, had clear evidence that people were a little nervous of their dogs and that did not seem to faze them. What bothers me is when people become so convinced of what they just know their dogs “are like” that they DON’T bother to run or tug with their puppies to make sure that they don’t nip at fast movers or get snappy over toys (and yes, I absolutely did run, purposely, with both Sandy and Otis, despite the fact that Otis was a young adult of a stereotypically non-nippy breed and Sandy was a mature adult with no history of nipping at runners. They've been in the dog DNA business for decades, whereas Embark is a newcomer on the scene, only releasing their first DNA kit in the last couple years. However, ID: B from Dataset 1 was also paired with ID: 1 from Dataset 2 because the matching variable of ID: B is very close to that of ID: R. I would like to eliminate these duplicates (overlaps). So I wonder how that will play into things, as people can find out that a breed that is supposed to have been established in way X really came about in way Y. Nick1 is absolutely right, in that breed typing and our expectations fail the dogs in this case. But I am very respectful of those who aren’t ready, or don’t wish, to take that step. Yes, it’s important to see the dog we have. My problem with the racism analogy is that being afraid of a dog who has recently been, or currently is, intentionally bred to be intimidating is hardly the same as judging someone by their ethnicity. Had my vet & I known that, he might have been diagnosed & treated without my needing to take him to a veterinary ophthomologist at Purdue. What is more interesting and important is if there are any linkages to diseases and health issues within certain breeds. I suspect that the overly permissive pet parents would have been equally indulgent with any breed of puppy with potentially equally disastrous results. Many people seem to dismiss this as not “real” work but remember the farmer of old who developed these dogs probably didn’t have 500 head of sheep. If I was looking for a dog for a specific job I think breed characteristics would be relevant, — I wouldn’t choose a Papillion for a pack dog although I know one that proudly carries two defunct cellphones in his hand crocheted pack — I’d be looking for a big sturdy dog and would prefer that there be a strong genetic contribution from a breed that originated as draft animals. Rose C – Lily is a medium/small sized dog, adopted aged about 3 years. Thank goodness, he did show some bite inhibition because what very likely could have been catastrophic, was in fact a surface bite that didn’t puncture. But that does not mean you should assume a dog is good with kids just because he’s a lab, because he may be poorly bred, or he may have a genetic mutation, or he may be sick and in pain, or he may have had horrible experiences with kids and is afraid, or any number of other things. Since he had a short attention span (being a tiny puppy) he would get bored quickly as soon as I stood still. Since we live by a park, we wanted him to think of the entirety of dogdom as “dogs we know” and so when he was a puppy, we took him out multiple times every day and anytime we saw a person, or a person with a dog, we would explain we were socializing our pup and ask if it was ok to meet. I think it makes more sense to try to find out with a puppy, so you can intercept any unwanted behaviors (and understand socialization needs) while they are young. I would say that it does, just as much as, in your example, thinking that the dog was a bloodhound/lab cross based on how it looks. 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